jw's seem to be getting desperate.
this three year old is paraded on a jw blog in cuenca, ecuador.
it is about 1/3 of the way down on the page.
they were positioned in a walk way and i had to go right pass them.
i tried to keep walking but my legs went straight to them like they had a mind of their own.. they pointed to john 17:3 on how to get saved.
1 peter 3:18. .
Both ladies then reassured me they were going out to cocktails after preaching.
Probably figured they earned a couple indulgences. Make it a double..
they were positioned in a walk way and i had to go right pass them.
i tried to keep walking but my legs went straight to them like they had a mind of their own.. they pointed to john 17:3 on how to get saved.
1 peter 3:18. .
They were positioned in a walk way and I had to go right pass them. I tried to keep walking but my legs went straight to them like they had a mind of their own.
They pointed to John 17:3 on how to get saved. They then went to 1Peter3:18
“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust,”
I showed them Mt. 26:27-28 where it says the new covenant is “for the forgiveness of sins”.
I asked how they hoped to get their sins forgiven while rejecting the NC for themselves.
They said that they already answered my question and that I was making them feel uncomfortable.
So, I left. No arguing.
Brought back soooo many memories of getting shut down as a kid when I asked the “wrong question”.
I started having a panic attack while walking away.
Any other born-ins get panic attacks after talking to active JW’s?
shower thought entered my mind the other day... jesus christ.
as per doctrine.
is still alive in heaven right now correct?
@peacefulpete,
Even the harshest critics concede the very early nature of creeds, found in the NT., as well as their agreement with each other and consensus with the apostles. That is not the point here.
The conclusions these same critics draw are what is hard to make sense of. They are examined here.
jws will not salute the flag.
however they will support the us constitution which gives congress the right to establish the military and to declare and to make war.
isn’t that tant amount to supporting the country going to war?.
Great Post Vanderhoven7 !
“supplies of offensive weapons to the kyiv regime would lead to a global catastrophe,” state duma chairman vyacheslav volodin said.
“if washington and nato supply weapons that would be used for striking peaceful cities and making attempts to seize our territory as they threaten to do, it would trigger a retaliation with more powerful weapons.”.
what is russia implying?
Rueters is reporting that : Germany will approve sending heavy battle tanks to Ukraine
Looks like Poland will send also. The United States may supply Abrams tanks.
I can't see a way this can end well.
i ran across this short essay and thought it was worth passing along.
trauma is not your fault, but healing is your responsibility.
what happened to you was not your fault.. it was not something you asked for, it was not something you deserved.. what happened to you was not fair.. you were merely collateral damage on someone else’s warpath, an innocent bystander who got wrecked out of proximity.. we are all traumatized by life, some of us from egregious wrongdoings, others by unprocessed pain and sidelined emotions.
Sorry to hear about your plight DaveB.
The 1975 fiasco was very tragic for the yougsters. I am 59 now and was 12 yrs. old in 1975. I firmly believed I would die at God's hand at that time. When I didn't, I was really angry at WT leaders for being so manipulative. I engaged in all kinds of things (including getting baptized at age 23 and regualar pioneering. I was fully in for 8 years. After leaving, it took another 8 years to find Christ. Everything changed for the better for me after that.
I don't know where you are with your faith in Jesus. But, he is still available to "whosoever". Much of my anxiety never went away. But, I would say it is a good 30 to 50% better. I just learned to ignore / manage the rest of it.
IM me if you ever need someone to unload on.
- Sea Breeze
i mean, the jws have many faults, as each of us have.. do you know any other group that does?.
@enough
Sea Breeze- Acts 2:32 says God resurrected Jesus. ( i will believe that over what you wrote )
All I did was quote what Jesus said.
The Bible indicates that all three Persons of the Trinity were involved in Jesus’ resurrection. Galatians 1:1 says that the Father raised Jesus from the dead. First Peter 3:18 says that the Spirit raised Jesus from the dead (see also Romans 1:4, and note that Romans 8:11 clearly says that God will resurrect believers “through His Spirit”). And in John 2:19 Jesus predicts that He will raise Himself from the dead (see also John 10:18). So, when we answer the question of who resurrected Jesus, we can say God did. And by that we can mean it was the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
So, without a biblical view of ourselves as a tri-partite being, God as a tri-partite being, and a biblical definition of death (which I previously described in detail) a person is left with a whole slew of scriptures that he either has to ignore or wave away by saying they are symbolic.
Jesus knew his disciples would be provided for by others at THAT time, so sent them without money.
So money really isn't the answer for everything like the bible says in Eccl? Imagine that. You are making my case here. So if money really isn't the answer to everything, then the quote about the dead not knowing anything is just as limited in scope, ie, "under the sun".
Jesus explained death when he likened Lazarus to being asleep.( so that agrees with being unconscious) ( maybe you know everything that goes on around you when you are asleep-)
The body sleeps. The soul is NEVER said to sleep. Soul sleep is a heresy.
Why is there going to be a resurrection day if people aren't really dead?
People are dead when their soul , body and spirit are separated ... like in the case of Rachel I previously quoted in Genesis. This is the biblical view.
Part of breaking free from WT mind control is learning how to think, how to read the bible, how to let the bible be its own authority. If we run across two scriptures that seem to contradict each other... that is a sure sign that we do not have a correct biblical view.
i mean, the jws have many faults, as each of us have.. do you know any other group that does?.
money is the answer for everything is in contrast to wisdom.
@enough
In the context of the book of eccliastes, money is the answer to everything "under the sun", just as "the dead know nothing" .... 'under the sun". This phrase appears more than two dozen times in the book so the reader will not mistake its contents for eternal truth.
People prepare a meal for enjoyment, wine makes life joyful, and money is the answer to everything. - Eccl. 10: 19
The book is written from a physical, carnal point of view; which is how most people live their lives. It is a point of view the author ultimately rejects as "vanity".
But if Eccliastes is eternal truth ie. , If money is the answer to everything, they why did Jesus, on one journey, tell his followers not to take any of it with them on their journey? Why did Paul say, in 1Tim. 6:10 "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after".
See, how it doesn't fit? The NT explains the OT , not the other way around. Jesus said, "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me".
Jesus is the one who resurrected himslf and walked out of a tomb exactly like he said that he would. This is our gaurantee that he is the Truth, and not someone else. His words provide definition for everything else in the bible.
Early Christians only regarded the NT as their guidebook for the Christian era. This hasn't changed.
If the dead are conscious, then Satan told the truth and you never die-no worries, right?
But, that is not what scripture says Satan claimed is it? He claimed that Eve's disobedience would not lead to death. He didn't claim that Eve's disobedience would lead to unconsciousness. The problem is you don't have a biblical definition of "death".
And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin. - Gen. 35: 18
If you let the bible define it's own terms, it keeps you on the right path. The scripture above gives the biblical definition of "death". Death occurs when your soul departs from your body. Nowhere is the soul said to be unconscious in scripture. In Ez. 18: 4 it states that the soul that is sinning will die. In other words, the sinning soul will be separated from its body.
For the believer, "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" . This is NOT describing a resurrection like the WT claims. Biblical resurrection is the opposite of biblical death and happens when a person's spirit, soul and body are reunited.
All people will be conscious in one state or another for eternity. This is how God made us... in his image, in his likeness. Again, the NT should clarify the OT... especially the words of Jesus.
And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” - Matt. 25: 46
Turns out that Jesus spoke of consciousness after death quite a bit. He described the wicked in the afterlife as weeping, and gnashing their teeth once the realization of what happened to them sinks in.
The problem is that the wicked didn't believe the Word of God, and so they never accepted the "free gift of righteousness" which is "apart from works". This is what Christ offers to "whosoever". All a person has to do is receive the gift.
shower thought entered my mind the other day... jesus christ.
as per doctrine.
is still alive in heaven right now correct?
should that not read "gehennah" the lake of fire?
@waton,
Probably, but what the hell.
